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0 Rating Posted by: mrceagle on 11/29/2002 7:32:00 PM

This atraction is ok good for the intire family.But, I think that could use the land for somthing more creative. They keep removing good rides and keep soso atrations like this.

Perfectly said.

ahha, so im not the only one who thinks disney blows.....well, youre absolutly right, why in the heck are they keeping a freaking tree house, and then talking about changing the extra-terrorestrial into god knows what. disney just doesnt know how to run their parks, and this is a perfect example of exactly how stupid the people at disney really are.

How old are you mrceagle?

Im 23, Disneys down fall can be set in the hands of one man Migheal Eisner. he has turned the parks into somthign that is money orianted only. and a tree house is over saitin git. a tree house you can play in this is mearly a walk through.

i agree....i hate seeing that guys face everywhere disney is mentioned. there needs to be mutiny among the disney ranks.

Tehy need to get red of him he did alot of good when he first came in but they need afresh perspective.

yeah, he is almost trying to make himself the walt disney of our time.

The mans to stuped to do that. he wanted the Muppet show to be Muppits Sex and Drugs while presidant of ABC. hes a good buisnes man but has no imagination or vision

what about the muppets?

One name and script Eisner had greated for the Muppets was named Muppets Sex and Drugs. they Finally made the Muppet show thou even that was suposed to be an adult show.

are you kidding me? like an adults only show at disney? thats just ridiculous.

Acually it was ABC. but it was the script Eisner like most. Henson went for the muppet show. thow it didnt catch on with adaults. kids saw th eshow and liked it and htat was history. and this is not a joke!

thats nuts, i cant believe that! good thing they went with the 3D show instead!

no this wasnt for MGM. this was when the muppets first stared and morn Eisner was working for ABC. I think that bad history is what is keeping Disney from acuiring Henson entertainment. thou Im curius what will become of sesomy place if Disney gets Henson ent.

ooohhhhh.....gotcha. yeah, i really hope that henson entertainment stays independent from disney. it would be terrible if disney began to monopolize childrens entertainment.

The thing I would be wored abotu is the Sesame place in PA. what would they do with the property. Muppet Vision is realy good but I dosnt want t se an intire sesame St in MGM but it would be good t see thenm get attrations.

well, there really arent too many things you can do with the muppets other than shows. and there are only so many shows you can have at a park. i dont think the muppets would be a good theme for a park or area ofa park. maybe just a ride or two.

Sesame place has abotu 20 rides. so their is alot youcan do. addng the Muppets brings in Movie based darkrides to caracter based rides. I think theys alot you can do but dont want disney to have th right to do it.

exactly. no disney

They have alot already under thri belt. they need to stick with what they got/get everything theirro turna profit and then after all that they can think about buying other things.

yeah, they have problems with what they have already. they should get that all fixed first before they even think about expanding.

it may sound bad but I wouldnt mind having well themed carnival type rides in the park. thats why I mentined th ecouty fair for American adventure . alot of carnival rides with high copacity. Huss freesbie, top spin, that Euro star inverted coaster, ect. it would bring alot of attention its a themed area ads a state fair so masive themeing woudlnt be needed. alot more for les money and it woudl dramatikly increase atendance.

yeah, the euro star!!!! that is a great ride.

basicly a coaster showcase adn alot of large moddle flats.

yeah, that would be kinda cool at any theme park really, i dont know if disney would go for it, though.

Probubly not but its not that fare from the Lino land thing. its just a beter mix of rides.

thats why i like state fairs so much, you get a whole different dimension of rides you cant get anywhere else.

Ya I know WE have two really big ones up hear. The Topsfield fair and the Deerfeild fair.

yup, weve got the Wisconsin state fair, and MANY county fairs. and they all deliver with some pretty decent rides.

This are both county fairs. Deerfeild in in NH and Topsfeild in in MA. the topsfield fair is hug. hey made the 48 spot on Amusment Buisnesss top 50 fairs. not bad your mad 24th.

i like the Meadowlands fair at the Meadowlands Sports Complex. The fair takes up half the parking lot! its huge! They always have good rides there too.

funny thign the two hear ar fair grounds they sit empty for 80% of the year. hod a few small evens then have the big fair.

yeah, every year theres this carnie one town over from me that is held in a feild where absolutely NOTHING happens the rest of the year. the thing i hate though is that its a big feild...and they dont fill it up with rides! i can see that money is an issue but its like overkill as far as space. Although they do have a killer fireworks display that takes up some of it.

ta alot of then do have good fire works desplays. you figure they woudl rent the fields out. have a Circuse, monster truck, race. somthign on the priperty off season.

eagle, you said our state fair was 24th on some list of state fairs? thats cool. probably cause we got cream puffs (mmmmmmm). it has a pretty good midway, with plenty of rides, but the best of all has got to be the zipper.

the best ride at the meadowlands fair is definately Top Scan (they call it Space Roller though.) ::in anouncer type voice:: its the ultimate thrill ride experience...lol

Demon yes it made 24th and wast suprisingy its acually a couty fair. the state dosnt do one. buts its the best fair around. want to go this year. i havnt been abotu to go in a fe years. Cygnus I havnt ever riden a top scan but they look fun. not many parks have one. I find fairs are more willing to try out new rides. the are often a great place to see whats new.

top scan is so much fun, but i wouldnt be able to go on it and run right back in line after it ended cuz after one ride I was kinda queasy. Then i went on Evolution and i felt better lol.

Mostly I like the variation. you can check out alot of rides. I then put them on a list of what I would liek to see a park get. one ride that is good, but then lower on the load time is Cobra. Cobra is cinda like a scrabler and a paratrooper in one. it also has some nice clip when coming past the main stucter.

Cobra is one of my all time favorite rides. A fair in my town used to have it every year. Cobra was my first real thrill ride also, I went on when i was like 5 or 6 and i loved every minute of it! But now i never see them.

I saw adn rode it in a small Feast shows carnival set up in Manchester. I ide it twice. it was an instant vaverate along with my first time ideng a chance whipout. both are alot of fun. I woudl love to instal one in a park if I start oen up. I know were to get one too.

I think ive seen one for sale online also. ill put one in my backyard lol

did either of you guys see that story about a guy who built a roller coaster in him back yard? it even has a loop!

i saw it, thats the coolest thing ever!

he worked at a steel mill, and built the whole thing out of scrap steel....its car was a one seater with only a seatbelt, and the seat itself was from a car. the lift hill rested on the roof of a barn, and it had a loop and a helix. the coolest thing i have ever seen

Ive seen a few. a wood and two steel loopers. well one loop and one corkscrew.

this one was blue, and called blue lightning or something, it was only like 25 feet tall, but it did have a loop. it was pretty sweet.

I likly saw it Ive seen many of this. we should get back to at least Disney i promised BB we wouldnt get to far off the subject and I think were there.

yeah, youre right.....what was the disney topic again?

Anything. the most enterestign was World showcase additoins.

oh yeah, well, im going to bring up the idea that disney shouldnt theme a bad ride just to pass it as a good ride. they should build quality rides first, and then add the theming.

I can agree with that. but what is your idea of a quality ride.

a ride that could hold its own at a park like SF, where they dont theme every ride. a ride that can be good no matter what the surroundings. a ride that people will love, even without theming.

Well disney will never go for that. unles its i a fair or carnival type setup. will have to see how Everist/forbidon turns out. they can still have a good ride with themeing. SF rides are half the time pathetic. look at SFNE Superman and Batman are they only relly good coasters, Tamahalk is the only really good thrill ride. Disneys got better flumes, rapid rides, adn flats. I relly dont see it haponing. if they put ina ride its goign to have themeing.

no, i realize that. they will theme all of their rides. but i think they should build rides that by themselves would be a good ride, and add theming to only make the ride better.

It will hapon. look at the new coaster for AK. R&R coaster at MGM. youll se it hapon more. I rather see it stay with AK and MGM. some thrill rides in Epcot. but MK is a family park. rides shoudl be in the middle.

true, i sure hope the coaster at AK will be good.....is it known what type it is yet, and what company?

A Yeti, also known as the Abomidable Snowman.

lol.....yeah, i knew that.....i mean, will it be inverted, hyper, etc. and is it being built by B&M, or Arrow, or Intamin, etc.

Try Vikoma, its goign to be similare to the materhorn at DL but this is to be more thrilling. so slighly faster droops exetra.

okay, thanks

No problem i still liek the Forbidon Moutain name better then Everest.

yeah, same here. i havent seen the materhorn, will this one be like a kiddie ride, or will it be a real, bonafide roller coaster?

Im thinkign some were in the middle. You know they arent goign to have a hug bone chilling coaster witha yeti theme. they are more likly to have it a mine trin +.

a mine train? why would they build another mine train when they already have one at MK?

Thts not what i mean. that style. I know its not goign to have a trins fron or a mine cars. but that style. intence but not overly intence. i woudlnt expect to see inversions or a hyper style.

okay, that makes more sense. but i would really like to see disney go out on a limb and build a somewhat intense coaster, something that will put them on the map in the coaster world.

but a family coaster is gogn to bring the masses in not jsut alot of teens and adaults. after they get a family coaster then they can look to somthign more thriling.

but they already have 2 family coasters at MK. isnt that enough for the whole chain of parks?

no. that woudl only lure the familys to MK. it wont lure them to AK. they cant just put two family coaster in one park and leave it their.

well, when people go to disney, they usually get the all park pass. and if they want a family coaster, they can go to MK, and then later head to AK. what disney needs is a good intense coaster.

Thow have oen at MGM. Teens are fine. but they are a verry narrow adiance. wether the park instals a majer thrill ride or not the same amount of teens are goign to go to the parks. all you can really hope to acoplish is lurign a slight ly better local adiance. but their still not goin go tbeat out IOA. build a family coaster. once you have set the park to familys they you add a few thrills rides.

i guess, but it does already have plenty of family rides. it certainly wouldnt hurt them to put in a big coaster.

They will eventualy. an not realy AK has more thrill rides in combination with family rides then any other park. the coaster is supost to run backwords so tht will help its thrill facter without afecting te intensity.

backwards? didnt that fail pretty bad when they tried it on that Joker coaster? but yeah, there are quite a few thrill rides already at AK, but why not put one in at EPCOT? that would be great.

a walkthrough type attraction that ends with a coaster ride or the other way around. That would be pretty kool. And you could have the option to bypass the coaster part for the sake of little kids or people that cant take coasters.

yeah, but still, isnt backwards a bad idea?

Yes backwords Demon. if the coaster is build to un backwords. they can actually bank the turns more and keep the Gs centralized. to its not going to be liek jocker of other coater that they just turned the coaster around.

Cygnus its called Space Mountain.

well if u think the queue line on space mountain as walkthrough...Im talking more like an Epcot type walkthrough with exibits and stuff like that, then theres a coaster that takes u on a first hand look at how whatever works or a journy to whatever/whenever and back. And a good coaster not a carnie coaster in the dark :cough:spacemountain:cough:cough:

The problem with that. is unless its slower liek Thunder Mountain you wont see anything. but every coaster at disney has a sort of walk throught que. givign you things to look at wile in line to get on the ride.

well this is what i was thinking. keeping with the space theme of course! Its a LIM launched coaster that launches you through a wormhole then theres a slow part where you see our galaxy from the outside and through a simulated globular cluster or nebula, then back into another wormhole where you get off at another station that looks completely different so it seems like your somewhere else. theres some blocking and capacity issues but let the designers figure that out.

Dont you think a simulater woudl work better. i think you need to go to NY city visite a Restorant cald Mars 2112. you bord a sim that tacks you from earth to mars then you get of into a mars themed restorant. its really cool i think thats what you are thinking of minure the somewhat prices, yet delicius food.

Nah, cuz with a simulator you dont actually feel the forces.

very true, altough, heck, they might be able to simulate g forces some time down the road too.

You can do it now. look at the old Jerny to the moon/mars ride. or the intamin Mad houses (hudinis SFI)you get simulated Gs from those rides. the problem with doing thecoaster is your limitign the walkthroughs to older people only.

i still have a hard time understanding how you can simulate g forces.......are you sure its possible?

its posible. to simply put it, you angle the seat so that all your wieght sits on as narow a seaction of seat as posible. you normaly do this by anglign the seat up a bit. then by movign the seat back and forth and betign a change of waight on the body you feall liek you beign presses on. G forcis. but your only talkign 2-3.

im still for the coaster!

And its a good idea. but it would be a major land consumign ride. and to make it an adoult atractin may not be the best idea.

It would be about as big a space mountain. But since it needs to be an adult ride, then it just wont reside at a disney park.

True but no other park woud do it. maybe Paramount. IOA hasnt the room. and SF wouldnt do it it requires trying. but like I said it already is space mountian. Walkthrough themed que, coaster, then walkthrough themed exit.

it would be spacemountain but my idea calls for 70mph speeds and inversions. And of course its more exciting and more visually appealing!

Thats nothing you will see in Disney. I cant tell you any park that would rush to instal it. its to intense for Disney. and SF woudl never pay for that mutch detail.

Put in a Japan, thell love it and they have lotsa $$ to spend.

I dont think the y have room in Disney land japan. maye in the new Hong Kong one their building.

Well, i was thinking more of any park in Japan. That Nagashima Spaland place is a good candidate if they have room. I mean come on, they have a 150 foot (maybe even higher) swinging pirate ship that can fit like 200 people, is there really a need for that?

I woudl think not. after it gets so bit its just pointless. also it woudl vtack forecer to load it.

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