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 Review of Flashback @ Six Flags Magic Mountain
1 Rating Posted by: TOGO_Fan on 5/5/2001 4:10:00 PM
This is my absolute favorite ride at Six Flags Magic Mountain. It is very original. Minimal Themeing. This ride is like butter. It is smooth (well, for me), fun, intense, and hilariously fun. The over the shoulder restraints maybe a little too much, but, again, this ride is awesome with or without them. It has many sharp turns, great sense of direction (which is lost very quickly), and new elements on coasters found nowhere else. My final ratings for Flashback are, Design - 9, Themeing - 1, Fun Factor - 9, Re-Ride - 9, Intensity - 7, Scare Factor - 7, Originality - 9. The final score is...7.2 which rounded is a 7. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
 

Review Comments

Laotzu on 5/18/2001 9:11:01 PM said:
Let me get this straight, you rank both Manhattan Express and Flashback (of all coasters) ahead of Superman: Ride of Steel and Nitro? I have been on both of these, and to say that Flashback compares to any ride (save Boomerangs) is laughable. I had believed that following your SROS review that in order for you to correctly rate a coaster, it had to have theming and head choppers (side note: first tunnel, second tunnel, final bunny hops, total of 4 head choppers). However, Flashback has absolutely zero theming, and is unduly harsh. And not in the Cyclone or Steel Phantom type of harsh, I mean pain harsh.
Judging from your reviews, and by your screen name, you derive tremendous pleasure from going against the general likes of the coaster community. I respect this greatly, as I have an unabashed dislike for B&M designs. However, your choices seem to be directly opposed to all logic.
Please, explain the methods behind your decisions, as at this moment, I am completely baffled.
TOGO_Fan on 5/19/2001 11:16:53 AM said:
Ok, I am a small person...many TOGO and older rides were made for small people...Windjammer, Flashback, Python...etc...I find all of them very pleaseant, fun, amusing, and non-painful. B&Ms, Newer Intamins, And Morgans, are open, and made for big people, they usually give me rough rides, unpleaseant experiences and usually lack alot of things that older (smaller people coasters) coasters had. And to explain alot of my desicions, I take notes while I am at a park on the ride, its layout etc...I do very comprehensive reveiws... So, I look at the design of the ride, does it look interesting, confusing, baffling, etc and I take down features of it. As You can see, Flashback had a huge twisted and baffling layout, that earned it more points than Superman - Ride Of Steel because Superman was not very compresed, confuasing, baffling and interesting, it was a boringish design. The Themeing on Superman got more points because it had some, Flashback has none, I always look at themeing because themeing is what makes or breaks a ride. Then I take my experiences with friends, family, and other people, and mine into consideration on how much fun alot of people had on this coaster. On Flashback people were laughing a having a ball. On Superman, people were non very amused, lacking entusiasm, most got off and headed elsewhere saying how bad of a ride they thought this was. Re-Ride is also important, If the ride is confusing and weird, and fun, it will most likely be a re-ride, Superman lacked in mystery so not many people hoped back in line. Intensity is also important, Superman had almost none because it was focused on airtime and left alot of other factors out. Flashback took alot of them into consideration, and gave me airtime, gs, and lots of other things. The Scare Factor is also important because if there are no headchoppers and other things to scare you, then its not a fun ride. And The originality is how many clones were seen, how good the names is, design, etc. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Laotzu on 5/19/2001 9:40:34 PM said:
Our experiences seem to be exactly mirrored. Through my numerous SFNE visits over the past 2 seasons, I have seen a the reaction of fellow riders to be a combination of complete awe and total joy. I have never met one person that did not believe it was one of the most amazing 3 minutes they had ever experienced. Also, and I noticed most noticeably on my visit on opening day, there were many re-rides, including people circling from exit to entrance for hours on end. However, as can be understood, when the line gets extremely long (upwards of 90 minutes), people logically move on to the other attractions in the park.
As for theming, well, I simply have a different philosophy than you hold. As an avid Disney nut, I adore quality theming in Disney parks. And if a coaster is themed, I find it adds to the experience. But should it be required for a good ride? I dont believe so. Six Flags parks have always put thrill rides with no theming on random open spots of land. There will never be a well-themed Six Flags coaster. This is why the spend the money on the brand names, as a name like Superman or Batman is far more distinguishable, and requires very little theming to keep interest.
However, I feel that you must have visited SFNE (and SFGADV) and unfortunately poor or overly crowded times, as I have had numerous different experiences from the one you detailed.
TOGO_Fan on 5/19/2001 11:33:07 PM said:
Well, youd never know, maybe I just visited on a vbad day...tehre were few people and most of them were tourists. Also, I know Six Flags doesnt put in effort to theme but, they could add something, I mean come on. But now that you know how I rate things maybe you can understand why I gave it a 6 or a 5 (I Dont Remember). And, you are so right, our experiences are totally mirrored. Plus, maybe for me rouhg coasters tend to be smoother or maybe smooth coasters are just not rough enough . Ok, well I really like that one person on this board questions ratings and ask why you gave it this and that, maybe future trips will change my veiws on Superman and Nitro. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 5/25/2001 3:56:51 PM said:
i still think its crazy to rate this ahead of superman but opinions are opinions.
Paul on 5/25/2001 3:59:15 PM said:
think it over a little.
coasterboy on 5/25/2001 5:03:08 PM said:
Coasterrd like S:ROS a lot. We all are obviously morons for not liking it like him. He is our supreme ruler and we must follow him or be subjected to constant scrutiny of our opinions. --- Look coasterrd, opinions differ, you need to calm down and not take this so seriously. Im glad youre a big fan of S:ROS - now quit shoving it down everyones throat.
Paul on 5/25/2001 5:41:08 PM said:
im just saying flashbacks no comparison
Paul on 5/25/2001 5:53:08 PM said:
have you even rode flashback? its very painful its so bad there is only one like it in the world so think about that theres no way this coaster is better than superman or any other coaster for that matter anyone who likes flashback just likes to get whiplash and headaches.
Paul on 5/25/2001 6:09:18 PM said:
laotzu knows what im talking about.
TOGO_Fan on 5/25/2001 11:12:55 PM said:
Hey, on Flashback, you do not get headaches, you do not get whiplash. If you knew how to ride older coasters then you could actually enjoy them. If you actually are not spoiled by your dumb Superman and its smoothness then you would know how to make a rough coaster smooth. If you did, but you dont and you never will because you are spoiled rotten by smoothness. All of the bang, bumps, rattles, and shakes are what make a coaster, not smoothness. Get over it. And if you read the 4 messages at the top you would actually realise why I disliked Superman. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Ioa Rules on 5/26/2001 2:13:36 PM said:
Togo Fan Youre A Very One Of A Kind Man.Those Rides Look So Awsome And I Wish I Could Ride Manhattan Express.Any Way S:ROS Looks Like It Has A Rather Tame Layout Although I Havent Ridden It.
Paul on 5/26/2001 11:37:24 PM said:
alright for one thing im not spoiled by smoothies ok for example cyclone at sfne is rough and somtimes painful. but I love it.I know what you mean I just think roughness on your body legs and arms is actually somewhat fun but roughness on your head is where I say this sucks. alright can anyone agree with me on this. let me put it this way roughness on steel BAD. roughness on wood FUN. ok! now please togo and coasterboy get the HELL off my back! oh and superman is not dumb you should try it sometimes... BOY.
Paul on 5/26/2001 11:40:30 PM said:
hey ioa rules, dont judge a book by its cover.
TOGO_Fan on 5/27/2001 1:08:18 PM said:
hey, if you dont like headaches and head pain, take an advil or tylenol or whatever works for you and then wait 15-30 minutes in line, and then go on the coaster. Thats what I do on some coasters which are kind of not-so-fun for me or that I have had awful experiences on. Coasterrd I am not on your back, I am defending my opinion. I feel that if you make a comments that negates my opinion in some way, I defend it. And IOA Rules, I am not a man, I am a teenager. But, the rides do look awesome and if you are a good size 5 ft 5 in - 5 ft 7 in, then you will enjoy these coasters, because you should be able to fit in them perfectly, any bigger or smaller and you WILL have a nasty experience. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 5/27/2001 10:11:20 PM said:
fair enough.
Paul on 5/30/2001 9:27:01 PM said:
Trust me flashback may be fun for small people but tall people, can you say whiplash. Now coasterboy if you have not riden it dont defend it, it is a total painful waste of space and a trashy design nuff said. even if you are small and it doesnt hurt you togo how does this even compare to superman anyway you like themeing it has none, you like headchoppers dont got that, but it does have originallity I give it that because its the only one like it in the world and for damn good reason.
TOGO_Fan on 5/30/2001 11:54:28 PM said:
Flashback has a ton of headchoppers, dont even start that with me. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 5/31/2001 9:15:52 AM said:
I didnt notice any count of the pain
TOGO_Fan on 5/31/2001 11:32:44 AM said:
Oh well, the reason most people dont catch the headchoppers is because they are either 1) in pain 2) too disoriented. So, I guess #1 is why you missed them. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 5/31/2001 2:46:18 PM said:
probably both
Paul on 5/31/2001 2:47:37 PM said:
this ride would be alot of fun if they retracked it, gave it new steel. and did something with the cars.
TOGO_Fan on 5/31/2001 11:33:02 PM said:
I think the only reason people dont enjoy this as much as me is because of the trains. If they gave them some B&M speed cars and put those on, it would be freakin popular. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/1/2001 10:30:39 AM said:
exactly
Sephiroth7 on 6/1/2001 10:34:23 AM said:
What the f is a headchopper???
TOGO_Fan on 6/1/2001 10:59:49 AM said:
A headchopper is an effect where track or supports seem so low that they look like they are going to chop off your head. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/1/2001 1:23:10 PM said:
the headchopper effect in the back seat ONLY, on cyclone at sfne, "forth drop" {the first drop is actually counted as two}. is so convicing I ducked!
TOGO_Fan on 6/1/2001 8:28:52 PM said:
The headchopper is in effect for all seats, not-just the backs seat. Headchoppers are not restricted. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/1/2001 9:15:58 PM said:
but for some reason on that seat it is have you rode cyclone "sfne"
Paul on 6/1/2001 9:19:02 PM said:
headchopper effect on cyclone back seat only I mean. other coasters your right but on the sfne cyclone, back seat is most affective.
TOGO_Fan on 6/2/2001 4:22:01 PM said:
Yeah, for the Cyclone that is true, but for most other coaster it is not. Im sorry I misinterpreted your words. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/3/2001 10:36:57 PM said:
have you rode cyclone this year? they rebuilt the first drop and took off some trims the whole ride is now faster and smoother! when I went on people clapped! and said great job. im stunned how well this coaster is now riding and the slow part of the ride is not that slow anymore.
Sephiroth7 on 6/3/2001 10:48:12 PM said:
Well if you guys want the Cyclone, dont go to sf. The REAL Cyclone is in Brooklyn and kills ANY WOODEN COASTER ON THIS PLANET. Thanks For Listening. SEPHIROTH_7.
Paul on 6/3/2001 11:18:21 PM said:
yes also a great coaster. but have you rode the one im talking about?
ThmPrkCrtc on 6/4/2001 9:00:15 AM said:
Didnt they take down the real Cyclone? Or was that another coaster Im thinking of?
TOGO_Fan on 6/4/2001 11:50:17 AM said:
ThmPrkCrtc youre thinking of the Coney Island Thunderbolt. The city thought of it as an eyesore so they tore it down. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
ThmPrkCrtc on 6/4/2001 2:40:30 PM said:
Knew it was one of those. I for some reason thought the Cyclone bit it as well.
TOGO_Fan on 6/4/2001 9:34:44 PM said:
Well, the Cyclone will never bite it because it is a historical landmark (how nice of New York). Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Sephiroth7 on 6/4/2001 9:41:59 PM said:
No coastrrd, but I have ridden MANY woodies in my time and NOTHING compares to the experience the Cyclone gives you, which is the feeling of a near death experience. There is one coaster in Coney Islnad that is still standingl, but is not running. It actually looked pretty good with some steep drops and some wicked airtime. Does anyone know what it is???
Paul on 6/4/2001 11:09:53 PM said:
deffinetly! I agree with you. I do suggest that you do try out the sfne cyclone. It has many of the same out of control WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!! feeling. there must be something about the name cyclone. im glad that you, not like many other people arent spioled by smoothies and appreciate like I do, the greatness of a wood coaster. now the ride you were talking about is the coney island thunderbolt. Sadly demolished a few months ago. its been standing there alone since the mid eighties. now I suggest you put cyclone on your what to do this summer list. Its worth it. I reccomend the front seat its more intense there for some odd reason.
Paul on 6/5/2001 10:47:42 PM said:
also the sfne cyclone like the coney cyclone has some violent turns and airtime. let me describe the ride in its entirety, first you travel up the 107 foot lift, a mammoth wood coaster in the eighties and still is impressive now. then your roar down the 60 degree drop but turn about 60 feet off the ground into a 55 mile per hour turnaround almost on your side. the best damn turnaround ever! then you go all the way to the ground on the second drop at 60 to 65 the speed was not the same last year they did some retracking. it went only about 45! anyway you then do a mini drop filled turnaround then go down the longest drop in the ride about 90 feet! other coasters would kill for a 3rd drop like this! then all hell breaks lose and your twisting and droping through so much wood that you have no idea what track is next then you take some sharp corners at about 45 so hang on it gets bumpy here folks! six flags put in a trim break on one of its demmented twisting bunny hops. for once I appreciate a trim break. then it is a bone jarring but fun trip back to the station. they ALWAYS have two trains running so re rides are a must. for some odd reason this ride is more intense in the front. the back is for the violent airtime, and the front is for both airtime and speed plus a great view all together. since april 21 ive rode this about 40 to 48 times it seems everybody is so exited about superman so the line is usually sort. so come to sfne and ride this first thing it WILL wake you up and you will have a new fav! the best wood coaster in the area.
Paul on 6/5/2001 10:51:02 PM said:
THE CYCLONES RULE THE WORLD OF WOOD COASTERS!!!!
Paul on 6/15/2001 4:49:01 PM said:
is six flags changing this rides name to the Great American Scream Machine? I heard that somewhere.
TOGO_Fan on 6/15/2001 8:50:01 PM said:
Which ride? Cyclone? Flashback? If so, either one would make a good candidate. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/15/2001 10:09:14 PM said:
the cyclone
TOGO_Fan on 6/16/2001 11:01:10 AM said:
Oh, I think it would be great. New paint and a name that matches the ride. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/17/2001 1:58:14 PM said:
I always hit myself when i look at my screen name on this site. its actually coaster rd. I forgot to space that out. is there anyway I can change this?
Paul on 6/28/2001 10:26:45 PM said:
togo this is about cyclone at sfne do you think you can score and review it? it needs the boost because of bongovilles damage.
TOGO_Fan on 6/28/2001 10:39:29 PM said:
I will really soon, I need to find some time to find my notes about Cyclone. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/28/2001 10:40:13 PM said:
ok
Paul on 6/28/2001 10:41:52 PM said:
victory is ours!! soul has vanished off the site.
TOGO_Fan on 6/28/2001 10:47:10 PM said:
Yes, that soul guy was a real dumb-o (*Disney Joke To Make Him Mad*). He thinks everything must suck. I was already writing responses to each and every reveiw, I got about 4 done out of the 10 one s/he gave. Oh, and Ill reveiw it no problem. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
ThmPrkCrtc on 6/28/2001 10:56:23 PM said:
Dont encourage them guys, theyre just trolling and when ou respond it just lets them keep it up.. Let me know on the message board or email and ill do what i can to keep things fair. mh
TOGO_Fan on 6/28/2001 10:57:52 PM said:
Bongoville was also kicked out for his reveiws. I see that Marc decieded to take action against them two. I really appreciatte the effort. As constantly telling them how their reveiw was wrogn was getting pretty hard. Thanks Again Mark. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
TOGO_Fan on 6/28/2001 10:59:20 PM said:
Thanks Mark. You really settled the score. I hope you get your new co-webmaster so you dont do all of the work. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
ThmPrkCrtc on 6/28/2001 11:04:56 PM said:
Soul I think was just playing back at him, but if things like that keep going they tend just to spiral and none of the reviews mean anything, then whats the point. Makes it annoying when you try to make a helpful site and you have a few people out just to rile up people
TOGO_Fan on 6/28/2001 11:07:46 PM said:
Yeha, I totally agree with you Mark, I think that hey were doing a payback type of thing at each other, and yes it takes a few people to ruin it all. Jus tlook at the ThrillRide message boards. People are rude and force opinions on each other and arent very friendly. I perfer this site over most others, Keep up the goo...er...SUPER work Mark. Thanks For Listening. TOGO_Fan
Paul on 6/28/2001 11:11:59 PM said:
agreed
SROS on 7/11/2001 11:14:51 PM said:
i agree with laotzu WHY would you rate this PAIN MACHINE higer that ride of steel at sfne???
Sephiroth7 on 10/17/2001 8:47:25 PM said:
TOGO is gonna have some relief on this one. I HATE Manhattan Express and most other rough steel coasters, but I LOVE this ride. I like the curved drops. Its also a great ride for such a small area. I found it very fun and very thrilling. Thanks For Listening. Sephiroth7
Paul on 10/17/2001 10:02:18 PM said:
he doesnt like when you mock him.
TOGO_Fan on 10/18/2001 4:11:58 PM said:
No porblem. I really dont mind mocking anymore. I find it somewhat flattering that people like my signatures and stuff. Anyhow, its just personal preference. I still dont like various rides (Millennium Force - WHAT A BORE!). Anyhow, lots of homework. TOGO_Fan
Sephiroth7 on 10/19/2001 4:04:18 AM said:
I was mocking him in a good way though. It was supposed to mean we were on the same team. I mean I was the one who actually liked Flashback. Considering people give him a lot of crap for liking it I think thought he wouldnt be mad, which he wasnt .
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