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 Review of Mickeys PhilharMagic @ Magic Kingdom
-1 Rating Posted by: bigguy on 4/25/2004 7:39:00 PM
Whats with the good reviews? You can find the water splashes at every 3-D attraction in WDW and Universal. And besides, I didnt notice any plot really. Boring in my opinion, but OK because it was 4-D and 4-D is good.
 

Review Comments

vbarbieri on 5/2/2004 3:52:56 PM said:
Philharmagic is what makes Disney great, the ability to use the many characters in its repertoire to accomplish a great attraction is what attracts 14,000,000 visitors each year.

Does anyone really believe US and IOA could survive as destinations without WDW I doubt it
Knoebels on 5/2/2004 9:32:20 PM said:
Good point except for the fact that you copied and pasted it from the other 5 review. Good point though.
vbarbieri on 5/4/2004 9:17:03 PM said:
If you take note they are both reviews done by me and they were both 5s so I believe that is my right to cut and paste a review I created.
bigguy on 11/10/2004 7:26:49 PM said:
Well its not that the effects are boring its just that theres not a plot.
bigguy on 4/22/2005 4:56:00 PM said:
And just so you know, I didnt copy anything from the other 5 review.
praxis on 4/23/2005 12:50:58 PM said:
Not that Ive got anything against the mouse house, vbarbieri, but the argument that "millions of people go to Disney - so it must be good" doesnt really work. Millions of people watch Jerry Springer, too.
vbarbieri on 10/30/2005 12:24:05 AM said:
Praxis you are correct the park that no one ever visits is the best. Get real, ATTENDANCE is what puts money in the coffers and what keeps the parks open. And guess what Springer gets good ratings it also makes money for its station. It is all about ECONOMICS and the house that Walt built keeps them all in business in Orlando.
praxis on 10/30/2005 2:42:14 PM said:
Gee, I was under the impression that this site was to rate rides on how GOOD we thought they are. Thanks for setting me straight, vrab! Now I see that instead of actually RIDING the attractions in question, all I have to do is check the stock prices of the various companies! Thats the true measure of greatness for a theme park ride - economics! It boggles the mind that so many nitwits on TPC rate Boulder Dash better than they did Alien Encounter. Dont these fools realize that Lake Compounce draws nowhere near the 14,000,000 visitors a year that WDW does???
vbarbieri on 11/17/2005 11:46:47 AM said:
It is funny you choose Lake Compounce even on this site of EXPERTS it has a little over 350 reviews. Disney has nearly 5,000 just from this site alone. So when people are deciding to spend their vacation dollar I will put my money on Disney. And what I was trying to get across is Disney must be doing something right to attract those numbers along with supporting Universal and Sea world with the attendees. But it is clear you could not grasp that point.
Hercules on 11/17/2005 12:11:39 PM said:
I can see your point and I also disagree with it. I have never been to Disney. And the comparison between the two parks is ridiculous. Of course Disney is a tourist destination in many aspects. A park like Lake Compounce is not comparison. However, if you look at it, just because there are that many reviews, the quality reviews and things said about Lake Compounce are up there.
praxis on 11/17/2005 12:11:59 PM said:
Thanks for helping me grasp such a salient point! With 14 times as many reviews, its clear that everything at Disney is better than Boulder Dash - or any LC ride - by orders of magnitude. Now that you have taught me that the true measure of quality for a ride is 1)how much money the park makes, and 2) how many times it gets reviewed, I barely see the need to ride stuff at all. :withstupid: (Although it does make me wonder how new rides can possibly be any good - theyve had no reviews!)
Hercules on 11/17/2005 12:18:05 PM said:
Right, that is just dumb. Just because attendance is so great doesnt mean anything. It does mean that they are making money, but not all the rides and attractions are gold. It is freakin Disney! Of course people are going to go. There is just so much to do there and it has been so popular for so long because it is a resort/amusement park(s)/any freakin thing you want. Im sure there are some people that might prefer a lot of other parks. Oh wait, they cant prefer them because the attendance of those parks are so much lower than Disneys. Disney is national, check that, world renowned. Other parks are more highly based on a regional basis. Just because their attendance isnt there doesnt mean that they are a great park. That is probably the dumbest statement ever vbarbieri.
vbarbieri on 11/17/2005 2:54:44 PM said:
So help me with this HERC, Walt Disney World was always national or did it start out in a small REGION called FLORIDA and because of the outstanding management and wonderful attractions it became NATIONAL or if the truth were known INTERNATIONAL. If it was not for Disney, the attractions that currently exist in Orlando (ie Universal, Sea World and the like) would well NOT EXIST. Sea World would still be a water skiing show and Universal would not exist. People are attracted to this REGION because of Disney. This area has become one of the LARGEST convention cities in the country, why because of the Walt Disney Companies presence there. Again without Disney, Orlando would be an orange grove nothing more.

Now what I originally said that started all of this I still stand by. The wait in a line and the attendance at a park is the true measurement of success. Walt Disney World not only gets ATTENDANCE it supports an entire CITY and their economy. What I am saying or thinking does not in any way stop you and your friend PRAXIS from going to your quaint less crowded parks. But the childish "Im with stupid" and "dumbest statement ever" tell me all I need to know about you two. When you cant figure it out be derogatory good job boys.
Hercules on 11/17/2005 3:22:16 PM said:
Thank you. I retract my statement. That was a little rude. Anyway. Sure, I guess it did start out as regional, but think of who was running the park and look at the name and that is all you need to know.
vbarbieri on 11/17/2005 4:04:43 PM said:
Thanks for the retraction. I agree, and that is what makes Disney great and eventhough you may not like everything they do when it comes to the theme park business there is no other it is Disney and all of the rest trying to be like Disney. People can associate with Mickey Mouse, Alladin and the like. The others have no identity, they try to affiliate themselves with Warner Bros or Hannah-Barbera but in fact the Mouse came first then the Theme Parks. I was never a fan but became a big fan of the company when I made a few trips there then to Hershey Park, Dorney Park, BGW and SFGA in New Jersey all of them are trying to be like Disney and BGW gets the closest. I watch parents fly across the world with their kids to wait 60 minutes to ride Winnie the Poohs Adventure, a horrific ride, in 95 degree heat and I think to myself Disney has done something right but right in the way that has yet to be duplicated.
praxis on 11/17/2005 5:25:38 PM said:
As youve (very) often repeated, Disney does a lot of business. So frickin what? That doesnt mean that attraction X at WDW is better than attraction Y at some other place. Or even that it doesnt outright suck. Look, I aint bringing the hate on the mouse house (check my reviews and youll see I loved lots of the stuff there. But think of it this way: I hated the Trolley at Lake Compounce, and flamed it in my review. Others love it and flamed me for my flame. Ive got no problem with that; we all based it on what WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF THE RIDE. We DIDNT base it on the parks attendance numbers or revenue figures or how many reviews it has on TPC. That, sorry to say, would just be a dumb way to rate things.
Hercules on 11/17/2005 7:45:21 PM said:
I still agree with praxis on the matter in the terms that Disney is just plain tops in the market, but that does not mean that their rides are the best. They just have a great product for the most part and that is it.
praxis on 11/17/2005 8:43:32 PM said:
Thank you, Herc. I mean, Ive got Tower of Terror in my top 10, I do like lots of WDWs rides, so its not like I disagree with you about WDW having lotsa cool stuff, Vrab. I just think if you or anyone loves (or hates) a ride, just say you love (or hate) it... dont bring in the rest of the parks visitors, however many they may be. Let those folks log on to TPC and do their own reviews.
vbarbieri on 11/17/2005 10:32:35 PM said:
I actually feel the two of you are very fair when it comes to reviewing rides we have in common. If you read the review that started all the commotion you will see I never once said anything about rating rides that is each persons personal preference. I did say that Disney supports the entire Orlando market. And rides like the one in question is what makes Disney great. PRAXIS you are the one who decided to be funny with the Jerry Springer comment and I just continued to point out the dominant force Disney is in the market. Rate the rides as you see fit. But liking or hating a ride was never part of my comment. I just pointed out why Disney is the cornerstone of the Florida entertainment and convention market. They are responsible for BILLIONS of dollars to the Florida economy and actually 4 (IOA and US rides) of your top ten rides.
m311ton on 11/18/2005 1:09:11 PM said:
Some good points have been made here. Disney is surviving on brand alone. They have a great brand, and deserve a lot of credit for that. But a good brand doesnt make great products for all of time. Nor does a large following constitute automatic quality. (Example: Cubs fans ;-)) Their products (and rides) have fallen behind and are surviving on brand. However, people such as myself -and some of you as noted above - have not bought into that brand. If you think about it, the brand hasnt been driven as hard as it used to many years ago. Disney has a huge market share and brand loyalty, but they seem to be ignoring that brand development is an ongoing process. Thats fine with me if you buy into that brand, but you also need to respect the truth that 90% of it is all about brand.
praxis on 11/18/2005 3:55:13 PM said:
Low blow about the cubbies! LOL
vbarbieri on 11/18/2005 4:48:16 PM said:
m311ton, that is a brilliant observation and I believe that is part of the reason for the development of rides like Expediton Everest, TOT, Test Track and Rockin Roller Coaster. I also think it was good strategy to bring in rides from other Disney parks during the 50 year celebration too. Hopefully Disney is getting the hint and rediscovering their roots as innovators in the theme park industry.
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