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Got_it
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Registered: 11/1/2006

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11/18/2006 10:29:27 PM
Ok. I am a coaster fanatic and I also know much more about coasters then the average 16 year old, but for the life of me I can not figure this out.

If you have ridden both the Boulder Dash and the "Riverside" Cyclone you might have noticed that the way the restrains lock/unlock on both rides are different. In this picture outlined in yellow there is a bar which is pushed up and down with a metal pad on the floor that unlocks and locks the restrains, with a loud clunk sound.

The Boulder Dash in this picture outlined in red obviously doesn't and I have noticed that there are metal pads on the side of the track bed in the station that go in and out and there the sound of air being rushing out of something almost like the sound the breaks make to Lock/Unlock them.

What I want to know is what is the difference and why are they different.

One person told me that it was because they used to have the morgan trains on it. But in a picture I noticed Voyage had this "Bar and Pad" Method too, so PTC is still making trains like this... Anyone know?

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nyeboy9
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Registered: 4/19/2006

Rank: Gold Critic
11/20/2006 8:50:05 PM
Apparently, no one knows the answer.
larrygator
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Registered: 11/7/2002

Rank: Platinum Critic
11/21/2006 12:21:56 AM
or cares
viking78
Posts: 162
Registered: 6/16/2005

Rank: Bronze Critic
11/21/2006 2:14:04 PM
You are a coaster elitist Larrygator. There is a small group of you that get together in your little cliques and like to prey on posters you don't deem worthy. Lighten up.

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Message updated 11/21/2006 2:16:20 PM by viking78
coaster05
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Registered: 2/29/2004

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11/21/2006 2:24:53 PM
Thanks for your valued opinion. It is so much better when you call someone else names. How is what you did any better then what you accused Larry of doing?

viking78
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Registered: 6/16/2005

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11/21/2006 2:33:17 PM
Quote:
coaster05 said:
Thanks for your valued opinion. It is so much better when you call someone else names. How is what you did any better then what you accused Larry of doing?


Because I am sticking up for the voiceless "little guy" around here. The ones who come on here to type a harmless post only to be pounced upon and embarassed. I like to stick up for the defenseless, not humiliate them.
Message updated 11/21/2006 2:33:51 PM by viking78
coaster05
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11/21/2006 2:39:09 PM
The "voiceless" little guy has posted 139 times in 3 weeks, most of it very useful stuff. However this question was not one of those times, hence the reason no one answered. Larry putting "or cares" is hardly pouncing or embarassing.

It is fine you feel this way, but I see nothing wrong in what Larry did. Also before you defend Got-it check out some of his comments on ride reviews like T2, he is a long way from defenseless.
viking78
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11/21/2006 2:43:41 PM
Quote:
coaster05 said:
The "voiceless" little guy has posted 139 times in 3 weeks, most of it very useful stuff. However this question was not one of those times, hence the reason no one answered. Larry putting "or cares" is hardly pouncing or embarassing.

It is fine you feel this way, but I see nothing wrong in what Larry did. Also before you defend Got-it check out some of his comments on ride reviews like T2, he is a long way from defenseless.


That particular comment by Larrgator wasn't awful but it just reminded me of what drives me crazy about the forums, post bullying. Many of you old dogs around here are guilty of it and I don't like seeing it on a site that is as good as this.

coaster05
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11/21/2006 2:55:09 PM
So it is ok if you are not an "old dog". It was ok for him to call someone's review bad. That's not post bullying.

I know I am guilty of it sometimes because as a long time member you get tired of the same patterns repeated over and over. If our site is so good why do you only have 139 posts in 500 days.

Either way I no longer care, but I do see why I win most argumentative. I just seem to bring it out of people.
viking78
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Registered: 6/16/2005

Rank: Bronze Critic
11/21/2006 3:23:02 PM
Quote:
coaster05 said:
So it is ok if you are not an "old dog". It was ok for him to call someone's review bad. That's not post bullying.

I know I am guilty of it sometimes because as a long time member you get tired of the same patterns repeated over and over. If our site is so good why do you only have 139 posts in 500 days.

Either way I no longer care, but I do see why I win most argumentative. I just seem to bring it out of people.


No, regardless of new or old posterer, bullying is always wrong. I am just pointing out a pattern I sometimes see here. As for my limited posts in 500 days I post here when I can but I also have a buisness to run, wife, and kids. However I do stop by to chime in on a pretty regular weekly basis because this is a good site.

coaster05
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11/21/2006 6:25:18 PM
I do agree there is a pattern I just don't see Larry's two word response as a continuation of that pattern. And like I said I put it in the same catergory as that review.

Again in a more extreme circumstance of bullying I would totally agree with you.

Got_it
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11/21/2006 9:12:35 PM
Umm for the T2 review, it had like 3 words and the person gave no reason for disliking Vekoma, one of my favorite coaster companies, therefore that was a bad review.

As for this post this is a question I would like answered since I took the time to upload the pictures and what not. Seeing as how 99% of the people on here are coaster fans I figured that someone would have known it or at least the names so I could google it myself. I just wanted to thank larrygator for going out of his way to be a jerk.

And thanks to you who stuck up for me.
Got_it
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11/21/2006 9:15:50 PM
Oh and if you will look I updated most of my reviews (Wild Cat, SooperDooperLooper, Steel Force) to have more detail on why I either liked a coaster no one else likes or didn't like one alot of people love, because after reading reviews of rides I like and having people give them 1s and just put like 3-7 words about how "slow the the lift is" or "it's rough" really got to me. So thank you my reviews do mean something to someone.
Hercules
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11/21/2006 10:00:31 PM
I don't think that Larry was pouncing on the kid or anything.

However, I do have to give the kid credit. This is interesting, for some. I don't think he needs to be jumped on for it. Some people get really into the details and stuff. I was trying to for a while, but fail to see the appeal. I am kind of interested to find this out myself.
coaster05
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11/21/2006 10:51:33 PM
I am sorry I just don't see the statement "or cares" to be a big deal. Larry's opinion was no one cared. Why is that a problem at all.

Got it the t2 review was not that good however it was longer than two words and had a reason of going too fast meaning he could not enjoy the element. I agree that the review was weak but you saying it was terrible is no worse then Larry saying "or cares".

As far as your original querstion, like Herc said, the details just mean nothing to me. Half the time I am lucky if I know who made the coaster. Those types of things just have no priority in my life so sorry I am no help to your question.
Got_it
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11/22/2006 12:39:35 AM
I suppose you're right.

I just didn't like that review, it was opinion that it was bad.

larrygator
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11/22/2006 5:11:23 PM
sorry if I came off that way I'll add a next time to show that my comment should not be taken serious.

I am quite adept at making a harsher statement such as "This is the stupidest question ever". And this was not a stupid question.

The fact the no one answered means two things to me: One, no one knows the answer or Two, no one cares.

I read his question a few times and have no idea what he is talking about and have never concerned myself with details. Like Herc said, some of us don't know or care about details.

If I was a Elitist, I would have said something like "you fool everyone knows the difference is because of the flux capaciter, jeez".

Thanks for the defense Rich as I've been away from the site for a couple of days while I move and wait for cable/internet to be installed.

I'll pounce an someone if they act like an idiot on the site, not becasue they are new.
coaster05
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11/22/2006 7:10:09 PM
Thanks Larry and I didn't mean to speak for you, but I also knew what you said was getting totally blown out of proportion. Even if it wasn't you still siad nothing bad. Glad to see you on and I hope they get that problem fixed.
larrygator
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11/23/2006 10:43:08 PM
I get internet and cable in my new place my next Friday, just checking in from mom's after eating too much
Hercules
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11/24/2006 11:42:51 AM
Wait. Larry is moving? What is going to happen to the $100 tiki bar???
hrrytraver
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11/24/2006 3:51:03 PM
Quote:
larrygator said:

If I was a Elitist, I would have said something like "you fool everyone knows the difference is because of the flux capaciter, jeez".




uh, not to sound elitist or anything, but larry PTC doesn't use flux capacitors. the reason for the difference in the trains between the two rides corresponds to the fact that boulder dash uses inverted knibling bits to perfunctorize the seat cushions. without these the trains wouldn't polarize properly and therefore the vectors would detach from the the structure creating entropic crevices within.
Message updated 11/24/2006 3:53:33 PM by hrrytraver
coaster05
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11/24/2006 4:19:08 PM
Careful Hrry that sounds a lot more like bullying then Larry. Heck you may actually be ...terrorizing!!
larrygator
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11/24/2006 4:19:40 PM
Quote:
Hercules said:
Wait. Larry is moving? What is going to happen to the $100 tiki bar???


The tiki bar will stay in the shed in the backyrad of my mom and brothers house. If I had enough room in my studio I would have brought it with me.

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Cyclonic
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11/26/2006 6:48:00 PM
Back to the question at hand, I think (though I am not totally certain) your friend may have been right.

The Morgan trains use a U-bar that is totally internal, where as the PTC's use an L-bar that has external workings. For the PTC's to be released a bar is set along the side of the platform that comes up and pushes a button on the bottom of each lapbar. There is a release bar on each side of the station. with the morgans the release bar is below the train near the center of the track. It does esentually the same thing, just from a diferent location.

The PCT's for the Cyclone would have been modified to release this way because it would have been cheaper to do then to rework the release bar system.

I'm not 100% sure on all this, It's been a while since I have really looked at these trains, and I never rode the Cyclone when it had Morgans, so it may be different then the ones have have ridden.

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Got_it
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11/26/2006 11:52:28 PM
That's what I thought at first, but then I have seen other new Wood coasters (Voyage) That have PTCs that have this same system, so I don't know.
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